Can AI write good porn?

[Verbal13]

hey y'all,
I know I am late to the conversation but I been playing with AI for software dev purposes and every now and then I poked around looking at how ai might handle "adult content" and by and large: utter disappointment. Partly because I often prefer non-con, it is generally seen as verboten and I even got chastised a tad by Claude.
However- Claire's example- wow omg, that snip from grok blows me away. I thought AI was more or less the thought police who now control search engines and prevent searches for riskee stuff. I guess grok is exception to the rule.
I noticed there is a erotic-niche but I'd be damned to pay for that sorta stuff-- part of the fun being creative wit fantasy. but Grok was doing a decent job, not sure what LLM he been reading...
I guess we all out of a job sooner or later, yeah?
haha. jk
Anyways, I trying to lean back into this forum. I appreciate the words you inserted to encourage comments. Honestly the main reason I stopped writing. That and I kept starting new drafts rather than finish editing- often more work than fun, right? Time consuming (until the age of AI, right?)
Even when I was thinking to get back to my writing I thought twice. AI got nothin to do with it.

But often my assumptions are flawed-- I want to try writing again, even despite how 95% readers lurk but never respond.
I enjoyed ravishu and this community seems as good or better (many of same folks) so I wanna put in some effort. This time I'll try to follow through- I know I made some empty promises in the past. Already I working on a flash fiction draft...
Warm Regards,
Verbal13

[Claire]

I know I am late to the conversation

Not at all, the topic was created two days ago. So chime in! Nice to see you post.

Anyways, I trying to lean back into this forum. I appreciate the words you inserted to encourage comments. Honestly the main reason I stopped writing. That and I kept starting new drafts rather than finish editing- often more work than fun, right? Time consuming (until the age of AI, right?)
Even when I was thinking to get back to my writing I thought twice. AI got nothin to do with it.

But often my assumptions are flawed-- I want to try writing again, even despite how 95% readers lurk but never respond.
I enjoyed ravishu and this community seems as good or better (many of same folks) so I wanna put in some effort. This time I'll try to follow through- I know I made some empty promises in the past. Already I working on a flash fiction draft...

I know this will take us off-topic a bit, so I apologize to @SoftGameHunter in advance, but since creating a community where authors actually do see engagement from readers with their stories is the whole point of this forum, I want to respond to you here. Also, I'm lying awake right now and can't sleep, so this might be a good distraction for a bit.

I understand how you feel, and I'm actually grateful that you are so open about saying that you stopped writing because of the lack of feedback. I want to really invite you to post your stories here and also to leave feedback on the stories you rate. I really enjoy the little rating-comments you left on Record Chaser (yes, you guesssed the right quote for chapter 2 ) but I can't respond to those directly. If you leave comments on stories that are just half as thoughtful as your post here, I think we'll have some great conversations. If you make it to the later comments on Record Chaser, you will see some great conversations between @SoftGameHunter, @JTCK, @Lucius and me. Or look at my comments on @RapeU's The CUNT Rapist story and his replies to these comments. Of course, not every story has that much to talk about and a simple "Damn, that was hot!" can also be motivating. But if you post your stories here and you support other authors here as well, then I would like to see that your stories get the same attention.

In my eyes, this is the fundamental problem of our community. We have no sense of reciprocity. We don't reward those who give a lot for this community by paying attention to their creative work. If @Shocker got feedback from only every third person he left a comment for, then he'd drown in feedback posts by now. @RapeU took running the forum over from me. He posted the last chapter of his magnum opus, the aforemenioned CUNT Rapist story, one month ago on December 13 and the only one who gave him feedback on the ending... was me. Think about that for a moment. A long running member of the community, the very person who saved this forum from getting closed, who pays for this, who keeps this place running, who shoulders the legal and social risk of running his place, finishes a long running story that means a lot to him and the number of people who commented on that ending one month after release... is 1. Isn't that just incredibly sad? You know what's even sadder? Roughly 400 registered users were here since December 13. To me, that encapsulates the core problem of our community, why one forum like this after the other closes down when things get difficult, why this forum is apparently the last of its kind and is sadly headed for a similar fate.

This doesn't need to be the case. The forum is designed to facilitate more activity in the comments on stories. But we need a baseline of activity on the forum to get this place really going. We need a few people setting a positive example. And I want to invite you to be one of those and I'll promise, you'll get attention for your own writing in return, at least from me. Because that's what we need: not lurkers who click through the stories like they're choosing a video on pornhub, nor authors who think using this forum as one more spot to dump their stories is enough. We need readers who comment on stories, yes, but also authors who provide at least as much feedback for others as they request for themselves. That's the cultural shift we need to bring about. There is only so much that the mods and admins can do with creating contests and discussion topics. We need authors like you to help us set a positive example. And if you do, that's my promise to you, then you will get attention for your own writing in return. That's the culture of reciprocity we need to embrace.

So, post your own writing, leave comments on stories in the thread itself and not just as part of a rating so that the authors can respond to you. Help us get our first community favorite stories on the board, gain some reputation yourself so that you can spend more reputation power points. We recently started a giant effort to breathe some new life into the forum and both the tournament you are about to participate in as well as this very discussion thread are part of that effort. You are absolutely welcome to join us. We can use all the help we can get!

And one final thing I want to add: Often people misconstrue what I said to mean that I want them to be here 24/7 doing nothing else but read and comment. That's not true at all. I want to see a bunch of people who do as little as comment on 3 stories per week on average, so that they invest maybe an hour of their week on a hobby, that's it. If 20 to 25 people did that, we'd have a completely different community soon. And if just those who are here reading already would do that, then we'd far exceed that number.

[SoftGameHunter]

No worries to either of you. I'm sure we'll slide on back into the AI topic if there's more to say. I admit, my main issue with AI is I don't want it taking over creative works from humans. Period. Not because it does it poorly, not entirely anyway. If it learns to do it perfectly, I'll hate it even more. It would say so much about humanity if we ever said 'Oh, AI can handle our engagement with our own minds for us.' I'd rather have flawed human efforts than perfect AI output. The future of creativity is probably going to be in 'flawed' and erratic styles that only humans can do faster than AI can keep up. So to @Verbal13 and anyone else out there who wants to get into writing, or back into writing, please do.

There's a YouTuber out there who does writing and literature stuff. I'm not naming him because I don't think he'd appreciate the connection on a search engine, but he talks often and with great enthusiasm about bringing about a new literary Renaissance. Maybe we can do that here. Maybe this site will be the spark that in future decades, when civilization learns to embrace its creative, human-derived smut, will be seen as the last spark that re-ignited the dying embers of sexual control kink and finally fanned it into a great age of Ravishment storytelling! And it will start not with Grok, but with living, breathing humans who know in our organic beating hearts that the lusts and deprivations of man (and women, because oppression is for fantasy only, right?) that will save us for us, eternally! (Rousing band music should be ramping up behind me as I type this.)

[HistBuff]

There's always a give-away glitch that makes no sense, better illustrated by this image from an "AI girl flashes boobs" video... The second pic is an actual white girl of 18-20.

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This Asian 18-yo girl has (meh) convincing boobs, but did you ever see a tank-top that rips like this? And one of her eyes is too big. All these give-away signs are in AI texts as well. It just lacks authenticity. And it consumes power that would be better used elsewhere. I prefer the second girl and it's not even close! Her eyes are real. What is true for pics also goes for text.

[SoftGameHunter]

I also like knowing that a real girl pulled her top up for that photo. In economics, it's called an existence value. Even if I never see the picture, I value knowing it's out there somewhere.

[Lucius]

The future of creativity is probably going to be in 'flawed' and erratic styles that only humans can do faster than AI can keep up.

James Joyce must be very pleased somewhere.

[SoftGameHunter]

The future of creativity is probably going to be in 'flawed' and erratic styles that only humans can do faster than AI can keep up.

James Joyce must be very pleased somewhere.

I hope the standard falls short of the randomized word salad kiosk that is Joyce. Seriously, I tried to read Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, and I had to admit total failure before I got very far in.

[HistBuff]

I also like knowing that a real girl pulled her top up for that photo. In economics, it's called an existence value. Even if I never see the picture, I value knowing it's out there somewhere.

And great fiction creates an existence value in the mind of readers!

[Claire]

@KittyUmbrass I would say that your stance against AI is probably more rigorous than what most people think of AI. So I'm curious how you intend to handle generative AI if it becomes ever more present in daily life to the point that it is hard to avoid. And are there any use cases for generative AI that you might endorse?

So for example, I share your concern for AI being trained with copyrighted art for example. But what about an LLM that's just for translations for example? When chatGPT created that initial hype, there was a lot of talk about LLMs being the path to AGI and it looks like this was just artificial hype for marketing purposes. But I do find impressive how AI has improved the quality of machine translations over the last 5 years or so. I remember well how awkward, nonsensical and unintentionally funny machine translations used to be. I think you could probably train an LLM on free to use text data and get a fairly good translator for everyday use cases. Is that something you would object to too?

Personally, I would not like to see stories written by AI take over the story section of the forum. But I also have trouble imagining a world where we put the generative AI genie back into the bottle. The current AI situation reminds me a bit of what happened when social media became dominant. I remember quite a few people who didn't like social media very much at first but as it became more and more common to use, it also became harder and harder to be one of the few who refused to engage with social media. With AI generated videos and images popping up everywhere, search engines integrating LLMs, it becomes harder and harder to avoid generative AI even if you want to. And I would expect that 2 years from now that won't be any easier.

[KittyUmbrass]

@KittyUmbrass I would say that your stance against AI is probably more rigorous than what most people think of AI. So I'm curious how you intend to handle generative AI if it becomes ever more present in daily life to the point that it is hard to avoid.

There is the entirety of literature, movies, music, art and non-fiction writing from before 2023 to sustain me before I ever need to touch generative AI slop.

But, I don't think it will ever become that prevalent. Creators are going to create, because the act of creating and the work it involves are a part of our humanity. We'll do it even if it never makes a penny for us, because the endeavour and the soul is important in itself. Those are precisely the things that genAI is built to remove. I've spent the last week or so posing and animating an 8-second clip of something I am sure an AI video generator could do adequately enough, but I made this with my own effort and with my own uniqueness.

And are there any use cases for generative AI that you might endorse?

None.

So for example, I share your concern for AI being trained with copyrighted art for example. But what about an LLM that's just for translations for example? When chatGPT created that initial hype, there was a lot of talk about LLMs being the path to AGI and it looks like this was just artificial hype for marketing purposes. But I do find impressive how AI has improved the quality of machine translations over the last 5 years or so. I remember well how awkward, nonsensical and unintentionally funny machine translations used to be. I think you could probably train an LLM on free to use text data and get a fairly good translator for everyday use cases. Is that something you would object to too?

First thing is that that isn't strictly genAI. The neural net/machine-learning systems used for medical diagnoses (for example) are clearly trained on relevant data, so wouldn't be the same as plagiarism machines.

Even then, unintentional biases can creep in. I have read of how biases in machine-learning data also crop up in translations. These machines tend to very strongly reflect the baises around race, gender, sexuality etc that are a problem in society already.

Personally, I would not like to see stories written by AI take over the story section of the forum. But I also have trouble imagining a world where we put the generative AI genie back into the bottle.

I find it easy enough to imagine such a world, since the companies have admitted they couldn't function without stealing people's creative work. We put it back in the bottle by making it cost what it actually costs to produce. And that's before we make them pay for the horrendous environmental damage done by the data centres they're trying to build. Of course, that does require a political will, and maybe that's the hard part to imagine. But that's why and everyone I know in the artistic and creative communities are so determined to take a stand and aim to provide some of that will.

Also, genAI is currently a bubble, supported by three big companies continually passing the same money around and around between themselves. It's entirely imaginable that that bubble will burst sooner rather than later, especially when the promised productivity gains prove to actually be losses (as has already been shown to be the case).

The current AI situation reminds me a bit of what happened when social media became dominant. I remember quite a few people who didn't like social media very much at first but as it became more and more common to use, it also became harder and harder to be one of the few who refused to engage with social media.

The difference is the plagiarism. And the costs of that plagiarism. And, oh yeah, the environmental damage.

And that social media was at least contact with actual humans.

With AI generated videos and images popping up everywhere, search engines integrating LLMs, it becomes harder and harder to avoid generative AI even if you want to. And I would expect that 2 years from now that won't be any easier.

And yet, there are and will continue to be plenty of people dedicated to making sure that it is possible.

The vast majority of people appear to be indifferent or opposed to genAI and it being forced into everything. Companies have ploughed vast sums into this technology and are desperately trying to justify the ridiculous expenditure, and want to make it seem inevitable and "the future" (remember when they did that with NFTs? I'm sure those still exist but nobody seems to think they're all the great any more). Meanwhile, people still feel the value of the human-made.

So, yeah. I'm going to stick to my rigorous stance, and if it comes to it, I will face Heaven, walk backwards into Hell, and become an absolute digital recluse.