What happened to RavishU? Is this the Ravishment University?

[RapeU]

I think I'm pretty much done here. I'm just fed up with those policies that seem never satisfied and always need to get more and more restrictive.

That's nonsense. Examples you used could easily, easily be written within the rules.

"She got married at 15 but they didn't consummate the marriage until much later."

"Grandpa gave her a quick peck on the forehead goodnight before he got into bed to have sex with grandma."

The overall point of the restriction is to prevent the child from being depicted sexually. The intent is what is important. A child in a story that's there as a device to enhance a plot without any sexual intention at all is completely and totally fine. If there's a gray area just put a disclaimer before the chapter that pedophilia is illegal and for sick fucks who need to get professional help. Disclaimers cover your ass and warn people who may get offended away.

[HistBuff]

I think I'm pretty much done here. I'm just fed up with those policies that seem never satisfied and always need to get more and more restrictive.

That's nonsense. Examples you used could easily, easily be written within the rules.

"She got married at 15 but they didn't consummate the marriage until much later."

"Grandpa gave her a quick peck on the forehead goodnight before he got into bed to have sex with grandma."

The overall point of the restriction is to prevent the child from being depicted sexually. The intent is what is important. A child in a story that's there as a device to enhance a plot without any sexual intention at all is completely and totally fine. If there's a gray area just put a disclaimer before the chapter that pedophilia is illegal and for sick fucks who need to get professional help. Disclaimers cover your ass and warn people who may get offended away.

Yeah, your words do make sense. I wrote this a bit hastily while my right ankle was positively killing me (a bout of severe inflammation that will have me going to work using a cane to-day, and I write to-day using a hyphen because this predicament makes me feel this ancient). Do you know that one of my readers thought I was 85+ years old from the way I write stories set in the 1940s?

I wrote this at the end of my last story's chapter and I think this covers me.
I read "sexual act" as any sexual activity involving deep kissing (French kissing) and/or making out (petting) while still clothed or more. I concluded that seeing one another, dancing together or having feelings for one another was not overtly sexual.

[Claire]

@HistBuff I honestly don't think that changes much for us. I certainly agree that there is a tendency for people be too sensitive in some regards. But I don't think anybody wants to get rid off every coming of age story that shows two teenagers kissing.

When I was younger I liked to watch the show The Wonder Years. The very first episode shows the two main characters kissing when they are 12, not even teenagers. And I think the child actors at the time were also 13 at most.



I don't think anybody wants to label this as child pornography.

While I was not yet aware of the rules change, this reads to me more like they are specifying their original stance. As you quoted them originally, they forbid under legal age nudity. But think about what that means. What if somebody shows or posts an image or video of a child getting their genitals fondled through clothes? Technically, that wouldn't be under age nudity. So I read this as them making sure that their rule has no loopholes rather than an actual change in policy.

edit: How's your ankle?

[HistBuff]

@HistBuff I honestly don't think that changes much for us. I certainly agree that there is a tendency for people be too sensitive in some regards. But I don't think anybody wants to get rid off every coming of age story that shows two teenagers kissing.

When I was younger I liked to watch the show The Wonder Years. The very first episode shows the two main characters kissing when they are 12, not even teenagers. And I think the child actors at the time were also 13 at most.



I don't think anybody wants to label this as child pornography.

While I was not yet aware of the rules change, this reads to me more like they are specifying their original stance. As you quoted them originally, they forbid under legal age nudity. But think about what that means. What if somebody shows or posts an image or video of a child getting their genitals fondled through clothes? Technically, that wouldn't be under age nudity. So I read this as them making sure that their rule has no loopholes rather than an actual change in policy.

edit: How's your ankle?

Yeah, thanks! That's a beautiful scene. Great work by the actors! Feels authentic.
My ankle = it's unbearable. My foot is in a bucket of cold water as I write this as it seems to be the only thing that reduces the acute pain. Acetaminophen every 4-6 hours. I thought I have a cold, but it's something nastier that causes fever and inflammation. My foot/ankle problem may have something to do with excessive sitting time.

Being forced to leave out all sexual stuff because one of the character is minor makes me explore everything else involved in a dating relationship = feelings, closeness, personality, etc. Sometimes I just get tired of writing all those rape scenes.

[Neighbor]

This is what I posted on RU back in 2010, as the rule for what pics could be posted:
(A few years later, when the rules were not always followed, and to save on "volume of backups", RU began not to allow any pics except personal profile pic, and "pic-links" from a pic-server.)

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The official position of RavishmentU, concerning pictorial content posted on the site:

"...using someone's picture for public/member display generally requires the consent of the person involved, and it's disallowed if you just stole a pic or vid and posted it without consent (of her parents, for example). If you're pretty sure her parents would never agree to seeing their kid on a rape website, don't do it. Stuff from places like anyplace that intends to sell their service is OK if you paid for it, don't let what you've posted look like stolen shit. Remember there is a HIGHER, MORE RESTRICTIVE standard for a "rape site" than for Hollywood, media TV, etc."

Therefore, all pictorial content is one or more of the following:
- Wholly owned and created by the poster
- provably of someone whose parents hoped their daughter would end up on a rape site
- pictures that have been paid for, or "leased" for purposes of displaying on a rape site
- pictures that are posted with permission granted by the legitimate owner, knowing they were destined for a rape site

[Neighbor]

Being forced to leave out all sexual stuff because one of the character is minor makes me explore everything else involved in a dating relationship = feelings, closeness, personality, etc. Sometimes I just get tired of writing all those rape scenes.

...there is a tendency for people be too sensitive in some regards. But I don't think anybody wants to get rid off every coming of age story that shows two teenagers kissing.

Interesting, as I think that a "RAPE SITE" could not allow anything that is copyrighted, or would be refused permission by the owners/creators of the content, to be
included alongside "RAPE CONTENT".

And then there is the "definition of porn" as being "ANYTHING that a competent DA could use to convince an American Jury to convict the defendant." (And PART of what confuses us, is that STATE-CERTIFIED EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES AND PERSONNEL are almost totally excused from MOST porn laws. That is, a video shown to kindergarteners could get a commercial 'RAPE-PORN' site shut down.)

[Fantasy_Lover]

Hi Claire,
thanks for posting the (probable) cause for Ravishu shutdown, which I personally regret.
Well, whatever what one may think about sense or nonsense of legal restrictions on fantasy stories - if there was a conflict with regulations, one has to accept it.
What I do not understand ist that even nowadays it seems impossibke to find and use an appropriate software that scans the complete content of the site for critical keywords.....?
I hope that some day I will find the same quality of stories as was before on Ravishu.
Greetings,
DreamLander

[Claire]

Hi Claire,
thanks for posting the (probable) cause for Ravishu shutdown, which I personally regret.
Well, whatever what one may think about sense or nonsense of legal restrictions on fantasy stories - if there was a conflict with regulations, one has to accept it.
What I do not understand ist that even nowadays it seems impossibke to find and use an appropriate software that scans the complete content of the site for critical keywords.....?
I hope that some day I will find the same quality of stories as was before on Ravishu.
Greetings,
DreamLander

Well, it is not just an issue of what's legal. Many web hosts simply don't want to be associated with certain types of content which is of course perfectly within their rights. For example, if you offered a web hosting service but decided to not host any gambling/betting websites even though gambling might be legal in your country, then you are of course within your rights to deny hosting any gambling websites. Many if not most webhosts won't host adult content at all for example despite porn obviously not being illegal.

Regarding the average quality of the stories, that is probably already higher here than it was on RavishU. But this fairly young forum can of course not compete in sheer volume. If you are looking for a vast collection of stories with little to no content restrictions, then AO3 is probably the place to go.

[LtBroccoli]

Hi Claire,
thanks for posting the (probable) cause for Ravishu shutdown, which I personally regret.
Well, whatever what one may think about sense or nonsense of legal restrictions on fantasy stories - if there was a conflict with regulations, one has to accept it.
What I do not understand ist that even nowadays it seems impossibke to find and use an appropriate software that scans the complete content of the site for critical keywords.....?
I hope that some day I will find the same quality of stories as was before on Ravishu.
Greetings,
DreamLander

Well, it is not just an issue of what's legal. Many web hosts simply don't want to be associated with certain types of content which is of course perfectly within their rights. For example, if you offered a web hosting service but decided to not host any gambling/betting websites even though gambling might be legal in your country, then you are of course within your rights to deny hosting any gambling websites. Many if not most webhosts won't host adult content at all for example despite porn obviously not being illegal.

Regarding the average quality of the stories, that is probably already higher here than it was on RavishU. But this fairly young forum can of course not compete in sheer volume. If you are looking for a vast collection of stories with little to no content restrictions, then AO3 is probably the place to go.

Like Claire said, a lot of it comes down to what the host wants to host and how much bullshit they want to deal with. Our host is pretty good with what they allow, but they draw the line at underage material, snuff for snuff's sake, and bestiality. Are written stories about those topics illegal? Not in a lot of places, but ymmv. But unfortunately watch dogs don't care about niceties and distinctions like the difference between a consensual story between two 17 year olds and a snuff story for a girl scout troop.

@Fantasy_Lover it's not so much that the software doesn't exist, but it comes down to context. For example, I just posted a chapter of Pharma where three characters have fun sharing a 12-year-old... bottle of scotch. Software could flag that chapter and story, but it would still need reviewed. And we all know how shitty AI reviews can be. I've also written stories where I've used nothing but euphemisms and the only way to see if it was a sexual story was to read it. Software couldn't flag anything improper.

In fact, I thing that would be a good contest or challenge. A porn story that doesn't use any traditional porn words, profanities, or biological terms.

[HistBuff]

I can tell you first-hand how minor the adjustments are when I'm aging up a character from 16-17 to 18 when I'm posting one of my old stories here. Katyusha in "Mutiny in Léopoldville" is a great example. She's 17 in the original version. I simply wrote she was born in '42 instead of '43. And just to make sure, at one point early on I have her cousin-in-law say, "But you're only 18! Can't you wait a bit to get married?" And that's it. All the rape scenes she's in are unchanged. Her buttocks remain "really soft under Congolese hands".

The only word AI would flag would be "teen"/"teenage" and the fact she's 18 would be plain as day upon reading the story. I don't bother with extremist watch dogs who would say, "but she's almost underage!" One well-known user on RU gave that to me, believe it or not. Eighteen is eighteen and I respect writers who prefer writing only about 20+ characters. My stories often involve such scenarios of mass rapes on such large groups that this problem always poses itself in some shape or form.