Two Hearts, One Wedding

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Re: Two Hearts, One Wedding

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Ok now I understand what you're saying @Claire
Claire wrote: Sun Mar 22, 2026 4:29 am But you don't follow this setup with an inciting incident that raises a dramatic question. Your story proceeds with: "And then they got married"
There are two inciting incidents. One is Wendy's parents. The other is Hannah's ex Amanda Barkley.
That is what I'm getting at when I say I feel no progression,
I genuinely don't understand how you missed it. Wendy's parents and Amanda Barkley are both inciting incidents with the question of "what are they going to do?"

Chapter 4 spells it out pretty plainly.
I sighed, “I keep having these dreams, Z. Nightmares. My mom stands up at the ceremony, and she objects. Out loud, in front of everyone.”
In Chapter 5 it's there too
I saw my parents’ car in a parking spot and felt my stomach sink a little. Zoe noticed it too. “Want me to key the car? I can do it real casual.”

I shook my head, “Please don’t make things worse.”

Her voice turned serious, “I’m going to find them and talk to them while you’re getting ready.”
Chapter 5 actually changes the question of "what are her parents going to do" to "will Zoe's talk with them work?"

Amanda Barkley inciting incident didn't come up again until the actual wedding ceremony, but that's because we were in Wendy's POV and Wendy knows she has less to worry about regarding that issue. She trusts Hannah. If we were in Hannah's POV we would have seen a lot more. In fact in this next hub story we'll see what exactly Hannah had to deal with when Amanda does the same thing to Wendy. But I'm jumping ahead a little bit ;)

Then during the reception Wendy's parents continue through the inciting incident by 1) not showing up and 2) sending a brief message to Wendy. Wendy needs the assistance from her friends to ignore the issue with her parents, but she chooses to ignore the incident with Amanda trying to get into the reception. So to say there's no inciting incident or progression is inaccurate.

Additionally, there are inciting incidents and progression hidden throughout the story on purpose. They are seeds planted for future short/medium stories because readers tend to generally go for short and medium as opposed to long. So when you get to the stories that branch out, you'll see some of the hidden parts. One of them I mentioned because I was too excited not to, the mystery man during the reception.

Now, originally I planned to stop at the wedding reception. But then I pivoted and chose to include the honeymoon to plant a few more seeds of inciting incidents into the general universe. These are mostly hidden or mundane, so you won't notice them until you read a future story.
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Re: Two Hearts, One Wedding

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@RapeU I'll respond one more time. I'm trying to help with this feedback. I don't want to try to tell you what story you are supposed to write. So if I mention an example of what an inciting incident or a dramatic question could be, I mean that as an example as I try to explain the structural issue, and not as a recommendation of what you should do specifically

Interestingly, in your response you point to two potential inciting incidents but you don't mention what the dramatic question of your story is. I think the simple reason for that is: The story doesn't have one. And that is also why the examples you point to as exciting incidents don't work.

Let me address the main point you raised:
RapeU wrote: Sun Mar 22, 2026 7:45 pm I genuinely don't understand how you missed it. Wendy's parents and Amanda Barkley are both inciting incidents with the question of "what are they going to do?"
I didn't miss these moments. I talked about one already in my last post. But let's take the Amanda example seriously. Could Hannah letting Wendy know in chapter 2 that Amanda proclaims to have unfinished business with her be an inciting incident? In theory, yes. In your story it isn't. Let's look at that in detail.

Amanda is not mentioned at all in chapter 1. Then she is briefly introduced in chapter 2 which could be the inciting incident. She is mentioned a total of 6 times in chapter 2, mostly as an aside to the threat of Wendy's parents showing up. Amanda isn't mentioned nor affects anything that happens in chapters 3, 4 and 5. She then shows up in chapter 6 again for the wedding ceremony, briefly interrupts the ceremony, but is escorted out within two short paragraphs of first appearing on the scene. She is escorted away by two ushers that Aisha summons. She makes another brief appearance in chapter 7. Throughout chapters 2 to 7, your protagonist Wendy does nothing to deal with the threat of Amanda.

Amanda's appearance is clearly not the inciting incident. How can you identify the inciting incident? Ask yourself the question: What happens if I remove that event from the story? How is the trajectory of the story changed by that event? If your answer is "not at all" or "very little", then it is not your inciting incident. Let's go through the examples I mentioned in my last post again.

1) Star Wars: If Luke and Obi-Wan don't get the message from Leia and the Empire doesn't kill Luke's aunt and uncle, then Luke never goes on his journey and the story doesn't happen.

2) Lord of the Rings: If Gandalf doesn't reveal to Frodo that his ring is not just some random magic ring but the ring of Sauron, he stays home until the Nazgul find and kill him. The story doesn't happen.

3) American Pie: If the boys don't make their pact, none of the ensuing shenanigans happen. To put it bluntly: Jim never puts his dick into the apple pie.

4) Love Actually: If Juliet never sees the wedding video Mark filmed, then he never ends up with cue cards in front of her house confessing his love. You can go through the other plotlines in that story in a similar fashion.

5) Titanic: If Jack never stops Rose from jumping off the ship, they never have their brief romance before the ship sinks. Presumably, Rose kills herself and Jack may or may not survive the sinking of the ship.


You see the difference? Now do the same for your story. What happens if you remove Amanda from the story? Chapter 2 loses a few lines of dialogue. Hannah and Wendy's fight happens the same in chapter 3. Zoe and Wendy still have a fun day at the spa in chapter 4. Wendy still does the same things in chapter 5, getting dressed, etc. We lose a brief two paragraphs long interruption of the wedding ceremony in chapter 6. Amanda reappears briefly in chapter 7 and whatever she was trying to do is prevented by Aisha without her affecting anything so the reception loses a few lines of superfluous narration.

Amanda is not your inciting incident. She is a minor plot point and obstacle that your protagonist never engages with. And the same is essentially true for Wendy's parents. They are mentioned a bit more often, but if you remove their message in chapter 2 from the equation, nothing really changes.

So the question you should ask yourself is this: You set up in chapter 1 a situation of Wendy and Hannah loving each other and they are about to get married. What event occurs shortly after that fundamentally(!) alters the trajectory of events like Leia's message and the death of his aunt and uncle does for Luke? Or like the pact the boys make in American Pie? I would argue, there is no such event in your story. And therefore, you have no inciting incident.

I suspect you want to tell me now that Amanda's obsession is a seed for another story later on. I see the potential here. But you can not outsource the real conflict and narrative tension to sequels and spinoffs and hope that your readers stay engaged with what's going on now because of the vague promise that these seeds may have a payoff later on in another story.

Let me propose an example of how Amanda could be an inciting incident and how could plant a seed for a future story effectively. This is just for illustrative purposes, not to say you should write this exact story.

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To me, Amanda feels dangerous, not just like a crazy ex. If you crash a wedding of an ex partner years after you split up, then you are not just hurt but obsessive in an unhealthy way. I would get it if she was Hannah's affair and she knew nothing of Wendy's existence until a week ago before the wedding. But yeah, if you crash your prom date's wedding years after you split up, you have a problem.

So, let's make Amanda the inciting incident, meaning her appearance has to fundamentally alter the ensuing events. She contacts Hannah similar to what we saw in chapter 2, but now we put Amanda at the forefront of the discussion in chapter 2, not Wendy's parents.

Chapter 3 is date night between Hannah and Wendy. They go out, you give us all the cute, witty banter and the emotional support between them as you usually do. But you interrupt their dinner at a fancy restaurant with Wendy spotting Amanda sitting at another table. Hannah confronts her, this turns into an argument, our leading ladies and Amanda are all thrown out of the restaurant. Date night is ruined.

Chapter 4 is the next day. After the encounter at the restaurant, Wendy and Hannah realize that Amanda is seriously unhinged and go to the police together or to a lawyer, or both. They think this is stalking, they want a restraining order. But since they only encountered Amanda in public at a restaurant, there is nothing the police or lawyers can do for them. But your protagonist(s) tried to deal with the problem in an active manner and failed.

Chapter 5 gives us a big fight between Wendy and Hanah not about some random event like the caterer cancelling. No, they argue about how to deal with Amanda. Wendy wants to confront her head on one more time. Hannah thinks they shouldn't give a stalker attention. The fight gets ugly. Wendy's insecurity comes through in that fight with her thinking Hannah only wants to avoid a confrontation with Amanda because she has some residual feelings for her. Wendy ends up sleeping on the couch that night.

Chapter 6 shows us Wendy and Hannah having to find a new caterer or having to talk to the photographer, whatever. You give them some scheduled event they both have to attend for the wedding planning. That event would still have occurred even without Amanda, but because of the preceding fight it now plays out very differntly. The atmosphere is tense. We get sarcastic Wendy and passive agressive Hannah instead of their usual cute routine. The tension escalates to the point that Wendy decides to spend the night at Zoe's instead.

And so on and so forth. Ultimately, Hannah and Wendy work together again, they deal with Amanda at the wedding, and get a restraining order.

I'm not saying you should write that exact story. And this is not some polished, thought through plot but a brainstormed amalgamation of ideas. But do you see how none of the events I'm describing there happen without the inciting incident, without Amanda inserting herself into their lives? If Amanda doesn't show up, we don't get the ruined date, they don't go the police/lawyer, they don't fight about how to deal with Amanda, we don't get the tense wedding planning, we don't get Wendy spending the night at Zoe's place.

That is an inciting incident or what an inciting is supposed to do. Everything that follows is shaped by that moment and how your protagonist(s) choose to react to it.

It also does something else: In that scenario, you would now have organically planted a seed for another story. In that plot, they end up preventing Amanda from disrupting the wedding and they might think that with the restraining order the problem is dealt with once and for all. But this does of course not address Amanda's obsession with Hannah. So naturally, you could now write a follow up story about Amanda abducting Hannah, Wendy or both of them for example.

You see the difference here to the way you planted your seeds for future stories? You don't suddenly have a random guy being present at the reception who plays no essential role in the story. The seed for the future story is naturally born out of the central narrative conflict of your current story. It's not planted in parallel to what's actually going on but arises out of the main events of the current story. It's not a distraction from the main plot line that your story has to briefly deal with.

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I'll leave it at that. I don't think I can make this any clearer and I don't want for this to turn into an argument. I want to stress again that you don't need to follow that traditional storytelling model. You essentially wrote low stakes, low friction slice of life. And if that is what you wanted to do, then your story works as intended. But I, as a reader of the previous story The Blowout, find the choice to follow up a high stakes noncon story with a cutesy slice of life romance that is barely affected by the dramatic and traumatic events of the earlier story odd.
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Re: Two Hearts, One Wedding

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Claire wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2026 4:36 pm @RapeU I'll respond one more time. I'm trying to help with this feedback. I don't want to try to tell you what story you are supposed to write.
I appreciate the help, I really do. I just didn't understand what you were saying. I haven't had any kind of literature class since my undergrad days over 10 years ago.

This is actually a potential thread of it's own on literature writing techniques. I think a lot of authors who want to write beyond "masturbation material" would benefit from such a thread, myself included.
Interestingly, in your response you point to two potential inciting incidents but you don't mention what the dramatic question of your story is. I think the simple reason for that is: The story doesn't have one.
Now that I've read this explanation I understand better. You are correct, the story as a whole doesn't have a dramatic overall question. That was intended. I wanted to introduce characters, plant seeds for future stories, and overall let something good happen to them with a little drama mixed in.

Perhaps the best parallel for this story is the first several episodes of Star Wars Resistance. These episodes are somewhat boring with character introductions and very little to no progression. I almost didn't bother watching the rest because the main character was someone I couldn't get behind at first. But as the series went on the story as a whole progressed into a really great show.

This story is intended to be like that. We first started with a dramatic misadventure in The Blowout then transitioned to a snapshot of living with trauma as a soft reset to this story where I introduce new characters, plant seeds to other stories, and have something good to happen to them. In that I've achieved my goal for this story. Also all but one of the seeds has been written. The final seed is the second hub story.

The second hub story is going to follow the model you mentioned. This is where the group tests out the wedding business over the summer.

A few more brief comments about some things:
I suspect you want to tell me now that Amanda's obsession is a seed for another story later on. I see the potential here. But you can not outsource the real conflict and narrative tension to sequels and spinoffs and hope that your readers stay engaged with what's going on now because of the vague promise that these seeds may have a payoff later on in another story.
I had to ask chatGPT why because I didn't understand.
When you push the real conflict into future stories, the current story starts to feel like:

Setup without payoff
Motion without consequence
A promise instead of an experience

Readers don’t consciously think, “ah yes, deferred narrative structure.”
They feel:

“Why should I care about this story right now?”
Now I see the problem and can correct it in time for the next hub story that I've already written and posted a chapter on (I may edit that chapter, we'll see.)
But I, as a reader of the previous story The Blowout, find the choice to follow up a high stakes noncon story with a cutesy slice of life romance that is barely affected by the dramatic and traumatic events of the earlier story odd.
That's a fair assessment. However, you're forgetting that the story after The Blowout was Two Broken, One Whole. So the order here is:

The Blowout - high stakes noncon
Two Broken, One Whole - low stakes reset
Two Hearts, One Wedding - low stakes, low friction wedding + honeymoon + story seeds
A Benevolent Rapist - moderate stakes noncon (moderate since Mark doesn't kill his victims) Seed 1
Finding Wendy - high stakes noncon Seed 2
Finding Hannah - moderate to high stakes noncon Seed 3
Four Friends One Business - low to moderate volume tension con story where the group tries out the wedding planner business. Will the business along with trauma issues end up tearing the group apart? Seed 4 (and future story seeds)

From there I plan to do:
Hannah and Wendy learn how to change a tire (maybe, idk if this would be interesting enough but it seems like a good idea because they didn't know how to do so in the first story.) low stakes, comedic, fun
Aisha story because she's the only one I haven't put in danger...yet... - medium stakes (she puts herself in the danger)
Hannah and Wendy in danger again. - high stakes
Hannah and Aisha together in danger. - high stakes
Wendy and Zoe together in danger. - high stakes
Another reset story where nothing bad happens to any of them, they're just dealing with trauma. But this time they're not dealing with it well.

And so on and so forth.
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