The flip side of the age question

[SoftGameHunter]

I caught the posting about not slipping in thousand-year-old lolis and related shenanigans, but what about the other end of the spectrum? In a sci-fi story, a character could be an AI sexbot that looks, acts, has memories and skills, and otherwise comes off as fully adult, but literally came off the assembly line yesterday. Or, for example, a fan-fic about Star Trek Voyager might involve Kes, who comes from a species that dies of old age before ten years have passed, all while having careers, marriages, grandkids, etc. Are these allowed or not? Inquiring minds want to know.

[RapeU]

Our server host explicitly states "child sexual abuse material (CSAM) or any depiction of minors in a sexual context (including but not limited to nudity)" is not allowed.

Part of the reason Ravish U worked for so long was because it had more relaxed rules than everywhere else. All the other splinter forums from RB failed because each forum could only generate enough interest within a small friend group to keep the forums running. Ravish U had something no one else did and embraced people who got burned by drama from the other forums. But the lax rules also ended up being RavishU's downfall. The same mistake will not be made here.

I'm going to be brutally honest and not sugarcoat it. The rule is strictly against pedophilia. If your character is in any way written in an attempt to appeal to a pedophile, get a pedophile off, or give a pedophile any kind of sexual gratification in any way shape or form, then it is not allowed.

For example, the AI sex bot that comes off fully adult would be fine because it's meant to be an adult character. What would NOT be allowed is repeated emphasis of the sex bot being "one day old" or "fresh off the assembly line" in an attempt to make your story appealing for pedophiles.

Your alien example of a character living on a different world is fine if the character in sexual situations is considered an adult, or the species equivalent of an adult. What would NOT be ok is emphasis that the character is "10 Earth years old" in an attempt to make your story appealing for pedophiles.

ANY attempt at making any kind of story appealing for a pedophile in any way is not allowed.

[SoftGameHunter]

That's a relief. On one of the other old sites, the Star Trek example was rejected when I asked because under 18 is under 18, no matter that the woman in question was a medical student within the show universe.

[Vela Nanashi]

I think under 18 is under 18 and I will moderate it that way, RapeU may demote me if he does not agree with that. That at least is how I feel our host and also enemies will see things, so I feel for our continued existence it will matter, at least with biological/natural/living characters.

Sure some may see it that way for sex toys such as a one day old dildo or sex robot, I do not see ut that way there for the most part, but it really depends on their mental age if they have an actual mind, or how their programming represents them.

Anyway that is my point of view on this. @RapeU @Claire may not agree or may, I don't know.

[SoftGameHunter]

Um, relief averted? I don't know how to react when two admins post different answers. I'll hold off on writing Sad Sexbot Diaries for now I guess.

[Claire]

@SoftGameHunter Currently, I'm still the owner of the forum, but that will likely change in a matter of days or weeks. Then @RapeU will own the forum and be legally (and morally) accountable for what he allows to be published here. So take everything you read on the rules and rules explained page with a grain of salt. I can tell you how I would have handled this but to what degree that will be relevant in the future I can't tell you.

To give you an example: If you want to write a story like Westworld where human like robots get tortured, raped and killed by paying customers, then that would in general be fine with me. Technically, a newly produced robot would be only a few days old, but if they look like an adult and act like an adult, I wouldn't mind. If you made them look like a child that would be a problem. If you made them look like an adult but have them act like a child because their AI doesn't come with a lot of preinstalled knowledge about the world (like not knowing what sex and rape even are) then I would have deleted that too. But a robot that looks like an adult, acts like an adult and a narration that doesn't fetishize the "freshness" of the robot would be fine with me. So basically, if your story depicts your adult robots similar to how Westworld handles its adult robots, fair enough.

But again, the final decision lies with @RapeU.

[Vela Nanashi]

Is the mind of your sexbot going to be described as childlike, or innocent, or any such things, or is it an adult in every way, and is its body adult in form, and described as such, not playing on super extreme youthful stuff? That is where I draw the line for a sexbot/machine, if there is no play on the age thing and it is described as and behaves as an adult 18+ year old I do not mind it. I am 100% super extremely strict with non machine living beings. One exception I have is magically/technologically aged to 18+ biological clone that is adult body and has an adult mind transferred into it is fine for me too. But if I read a story where there is a play on the age that could in any way make me suspect wanting to skirt around the UA rule, I am going to moderate it. Again up to RapeU if he wants to demote me as he takes over the forum from Claire, I am only tech admin, not founder or admin.

Also I would personally react poorly to making mentally handicapped behaves as child but is adult type things, or any other similar thing, but all that said I am not and I will not be the owner here.

[SoftGameHunter]

Sorry all, I thought I was being super clear. My question is about beings, artificial or other species, who act, look, and think adult-like, even if their chronology makes them under 18, like sentient robots or short-lived space aliens whose natural lifespan is much shorter than human. The rules interpretation page made it clear that putting loli content into a technically older body is a no-no. I wanted clarification on the exact opposite case.

[RapeU]

That's a relief. On one of the other old sites, the Star Trek example was rejected when I asked because under 18 is under 18, no matter that the woman in question was a medical student within the show universe.

So to double clarify, it would NOT be ok to say that an alien character is "10 Earth years old." Under 18 is indeed under 18. The best way to write an alien species is to write with the assumption that the character is an adult. And just to make things even more perfectly clear, here's an inevitable question that I know someone will try and ask, or someone will eventually try to get around:

But what defines "year" and what would be considered an "adult" in a different species? Mercury orbits the sun in 88 days, so a "year" on Mercury is 88 Earth days. So could a human or alien species be 18 years old on Mercury? Would that be fine?

No. For one thing 18 years old on Mercury would be the equivalent of 4 Earth years, and just the idea of that makes my skin crawl. Don't try to use mental gymnastics and mathematical technicalities on any kind of alien species. Make their age unknown and let the reader make their own assumptions without any HINT of pedophilia. A young adult alien that just became an adult? That's fine. Mentioning that in the young adult alien's world their planet orbits the sun at a rate less than 365.25 Earth days? Crossing the line. Don't do it. And to make it even more clear, don't do the reverse either. "Oh a year on Jupiter is 12 years on Earth, so someone considered to be 2 on Jupiter would be over 18 in Earth years." No, just no. Don't do it.

I think under 18 is under 18 and I will moderate it that way, RapeU may demote me if he does not agree with that. That at least is how I feel our host and also enemies will see things, so I feel for our continued existence it will matter, at least with biological/natural/living characters.

Vela captured the entire point, what matters is how the host and how our enemies will see it. There is no disagreement among us regarding this rule. Any appearance of that was my fault for not being perfectly clear at first.

Sure some may see it that way for sex toys such as a one day old dildo or sex robot, I do not see ut that way there for the most part, but it really depends on their mental age if they have an actual mind, or how their programming represents them.

I don't see it that way for sex toys that are made to be adult sex toys. But if there's even a hint of "this sex toy is only a day old" no, absolutely not. Don't do it. Leave that part out and write the sex toy like it's an adult.

[Writers_Bloque]

I stopped writing forbidden content after it stopped being therapeutic to deal with my and my wife's abuse when we were growing up together. I just avoid it altogether. Like my current story is a rewrite of one such story to not offend hosts, mods or enemies alike. Just like the other taboo's it should be common sense that there should be no exploitable loophole in writing to allow any room for forbidden content. Now its one thing to disagree with the rules, which is well withing your rights to, but with the understanding its the board staff's rights to show you the door if one does not follow said rules. If anything was to be learned from the situation, Cuties showed the world that we are long past the days where such content would remotely be acceptable, even if its in the name of art.