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Six months after the launch: Goodbye

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The Transfer Completed

Transfer of the ownership over the forum to @RapeU is finished. At this point, I neither own the ravishmentacademy.com domain anymore nor is the forum data hosted on my account. This transfer took longer than expected because we tried for a long time to get Abelohost to help us in a way that would have eliminated any downtime for the forum. But ultimately, we ended up doing it ourselves which resulted in roughly 6 hours of downtime for the forum yesterday. That was less than what I expected given that neither of us had ever done anything like this before, but overall it seems to have worked well. The forum should now be running fine. But please let @RapeU know in case you notice that something doesn't work.

The bottom line is: @RapeU is now the sole owner of the forum. And I wish him the best of luck with his attempts to build an active community here.


Autopsy of a Dead Forum

What I got wrong

The beginning:

I also want to use this final announcement of mine to give you a last status report on the forum and to say my goodbye. Now that the forum failed like all its predecessors, I want to use this final opportunity to reflect on where things went wrong, what would need to change, and what mistakes I made. I'm mostly writing this for myself because I invested a lot into this forum, but an autopsy of the corpse of this forum might also be helpful for anyone who wants to give it another try in the future.

Exactly 6 months ago on April 4 2025 I launched the Ravishment Academy with the hope to build a place for the rape fantasy community that would not end up like all the others before it. I made that decision in the wake of RavishU's demise on February 11 2025. @Vela Nanashi and I were trying to breathe some new life into RavishU, I as a moderator, she as an admin. And from the feedback I got and from the data I looked at at the time, we seemed to have some success. We were in the middle of fixing some structural mistakes RavishU made and were in the process of implementing the Popular Stories and Community Favorites boards as you see them here. With the large catalogue of stories RavishU had, the forum would have had plenty of Popular Stories and Community Favorites immediately. And that would have immediately provided strong incentives for more participation. In contrast, here is the fundamental question a new forum with no large backlog of stories would have to answer: Would its initial momentum generate enough Popular Stories and Community Favorites for these incentives to carry the forum to new heights?


My biggest mistake:

Or so I thought. Underlying that question is a premise that turned out to be false. What is that premise? That there would be an initial momentum to begin with. This assumption was my first and biggest mistake. I assumed that with no other forum like this existing anymore, the people expressing their happiness over having a place like this again would be motivated to build something new here. I truly thought that initially people would treat this forum like a delicate seedling that needs to be nurtured because after all the other places they lost they would want to make sure that this one doesn't just die and disappear, too.

So my entire plan revolved around the assumption that there would be an initial hype, not a huge one, but maybe a dozen motivated individuals. And then it would be a war of attrition against fatigue setting in. What would happen first? Would we get this place on the radar, have new people find us and get those to participate, first, because the Community Favorites gave them an incentive to be active, and second, because the active veterans modeled publicly visible what good participation in the community looks like? Or would the initial enthusiasm die before we ever reached the critical mass of Popular Stories and Community Favorites to make the activity on the forum self-sustaining? I did not plan for there never being any enthusiasm for the forum from the get go and I didn't adjust to that reality quick enough.

My plan was to generate that initial hype by inviting veterans of the community who were looking for a new home. I knew that we could not expect people to just find us via Google or Bing or DuckDuckGo. So inviting people for the launch seemed like the logical thing to do. But the truth is, with the exception of @Blue none of these invitations mattered. Nothing would have changed if we hadn't invited the rest. So the forum faced a completely different challenge than what I planned for. I didn't have to make an initial hype last until a critical mass was reached. I needed to generate activity from nothing before the core team carrying the forum burned out. I wasn't prepared for that reality. I believed too much into the apparent enthusiasm of what people said instead of judging their interest by the apathetic behavior they displayed. In that sense, I was naive.


My second biggest mistake:

My second biggest mistake was this: I did not realize how much this community in particular seems to have a problem with using a like button. Over the course of the last few months, I published some of my stories also on Literotica and AO3. And while those places are of course much bigger, the supply of stories is also much larger such that the average views on the average story aren't even that much higher than here. I published Venus' Touch and Sweet, Sweet Mess on Literotica. The feedback culture there is even worse than it is here, but the stories received 44 and 91 ratings respectively up to this point. My story The Infinite Rape got 28 Kudos on AO3 with 4604 views there. 28 ratings here would likely give us our first Community Favorite. But even our highest rated story, Fugitives with a rating of 40 currently - the winner of the most popular story contest ever on the forum - only has 19 people liking it. This story got pushed as a contest participant, as a contest winner, and as the first Popular Story ever. It has increased its view count from ~1600 to now ~6000 since it became a Popular Story. Roughly 360 new users registered since Fugitives became the first Popular Story, but it barely got any attention since then. A little yes, but nothing that would be even remotely proportional to the views it generated since then.

I know from my own stories, but also for some others, that users regularly participate in polls in which they express that they like a story but didn't give it a rating. The comparison to AO3 and Literotica made already clear how uniquely hostile this community is to liking the stories they, well, liked. But you can see that here too without having to look elsewhere. I know that a bunch of people voted for Fugitives in the Gang Rape Galore poll and didn't rate it. And I could observe the same pattern for Dear Diary in the Rashomon contest. I know that more people voted in the The Infinite Rape poll that they came reading the story (11) than people rated the story (9). And I know that at least 2 of the 9 people who rated the story voted with no in the poll. That's at least 4 missing ratings to a currently 23 rated story. So that's most likely another Popular Story that would help the forum. And if people actually rated what they liked, then @HistBuff and @Vile8r would have had Popular Stories a long time ago, too. How do I know that? Because people find this forum via Google basically every day explicitly searching for the names of these two. For reasons I don't understand, it is our community in particular that refuses to rate stories. Even Literotica and AO3 aren't as averse to liking stories as we are here and the feedback culture there is so much worse than even the very low baseline set by this forum.

When I came up with the idea for the Popular Stories and Community Favorites boards, I was aiming for a distribution of stories that looked something like this:
  • Public Stories: 90%
  • Popular Stories: 8%
  • Community Favorites: 2%
With currently 300 stories on the forum, that would imply 6 Community Favorites, 24 Popular Stories, 270 Public Stories. We curently have 0 Community Favorites, 5 Popular Stories, 295 Public Stories. I set the thresholds for Popular Stories and Community Favorites extremely low with 30 and 60 points respectively. 30 points require 10 3-point ratings or 15 2-point ratings. That's really not a lot. To get 30 stories as Popular Stories with the current ratings you would need to set the threshold to 18 points. And you can of course do that. That would solve the problem in a statistical sense. But needing no more than 6 3-point ratings to get to Popular Story status would of course turn the whole term Popular Story into a farce. These thresholds are so low already, lowering them even further would take away any feeling that reaching these thresholds is an actual achievement. And we would have no shortage of stories passing these thresholds if people just rated what they liked.

So yes, I underestimated how much people would refuse to help the forum by rating what they like. But compared to the first mistake I made, I don't think I could have anticipated this one. The damage this has done to the forum is tremendous though.

If you combine these two mistakes together, they paint a grim picture. If the people here at launch would have enthusiastically engaged with the launch content (15 to 21 stories at the launch weekend) and rated stories like people do on Literotica and AO3, we likely would have had our first Popular Story within the first week. Instead we struggled to get a story above a rating of 10 for the first month or so. If I had anticipated that, I would have done a few things differently. For example, I likely would have made contest winners Community Favorites regardless of their rating. And I would have made clear that this community requires engagement with its core content from day one and would have not waited a month to do that. I wasted crucial time there that the community didn't have.

But more about that in the next section.


Where we are now

So where does the forum stand? I showed this data in previous now deleted announcements before, but here is the up to date data.

Daily posts:

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That is the evolution of average daily posts over time. I sketched out the history behind this graph before. The forum starts with 30 to 35 posts per day, carried by @Shocker, @LaLia and me. Because the people invited at launch don't support us, we start to slowly burn out - Lalia and myself at least - and activity begins to decline despite the userbase actually growing quickly. Then I create the one month announcement that makes the stakes clear. And it gives the forum a second wind. After the devastating quarter final of Ravished in a Flash, the semi-final and final are doing much better. The forum peaks in June with the Gang Rape Galore contest. @Lucius and @RapeU become two more activity power houses and at least around the Gang Rape Galore contest some other users also contributed significantly to that post count. After that, it is all going downhill. We see a consistent decline. We went from 35 posts per day at the start to more than 50 at the peak of activity and now after an extended decline seem to have settled at 15.

We managed to create those 35 posts per day at launch with a userbase of less than 20 people and with 15 to 21 stories. Now we have a userbase of nearly 700 people, ~150 of those being online over the course of a week, over 300 stories to read and comment on, but the number of posts per day has crumbled to 15. When I showed this data during the now deleted announcement where I announced that I would no longer run the forum, people tried to tell me that this was just a summer slump. That notion was obviously wrong even back then, but when I showed people that not a single data point hinted at less people being here, many seemed to still cling to that notion. Now it's October. Back when I showed this graph in August we had just dropped below the 30 posts per day level and there is no hint of a post summer recovery in sight. We seem to have settled at 15 posts per day and even if the post count recovers now a bit, it has a steep way ahead of itself to go back to 40 to 50 posts per day or even beyond that (and no, starting a bunch of game threads that quickly increase the post count does not refute the point, it just invalidates the usefulness of the statistic).

Why is this happening? Because the activity level on the forum at its core depends mainly on what behavior the community at large models for new users finding the forum. If new users find a community that has a lot of activity where they see commenting on stories and lively discussions in the Book Club and the Dining Hall as normal, then they are more likely to register and comment themselves. But if they see mostly dead sub boards, most topics having barely any comments, then this is presented to them as normal. Why register on a forum where nothing happens? Why try my hand at writing a story myself and publishing it here if I can see from the get go that I will only be screaming into a void? An active community recruits new active users, an inactive one reproduces inactivity. And that is why that post count of 15 per day is so devastating. It makes participating in the forum for any new user finding the place completely unattractive.


Daily stories/topics:

And that level of inactivity is also reflected in the number of stories being posted here. The forum launched on April 4 and the 100th story was posted on May 27. That's 100 stories in 53 days, or 1.86 stories per day. And that number is of course being inflated by a lot of stories having been posted at launch (15 on day 1 alone). The 200th story was posted on July 1, immediately after the strongest phase of the forum. That took us only 35 days despite the large influx of stories by authors reposting their "old" stories at launch was gone. The story per day count during the peak of the forum was 2.85. And that makes sense. Activity wasn't what I would call strong, but if you look at the number of substantial feedback posts the Gang Rape Galore stories got on average, you can easily see why posting a story here might have seemed attractive at the time. Now we just reached 300 stories on October 1, so after another 92 days, longer than it took for the first 200 combined. That gets us down to only 1.09 stories per day. And that of course is correlated with the dwindling post count. No feedback for authors, hence less reason to post stories.

All of this is of course also reflected in overall topic creation. That number includes obviously more than just stories, but the majority of topics are stories. So here is what topic creation looks like over time.

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Topic creation is more volatile than posts because the numbers are just smaller. But the picture is clear. After a lot of topics being created at launch, topic creation seemed to have found a baseline of 3 per day. It then peaked at 5 around the Gang Rape Galore hype, dropped back to 3 after that and then began to decline as the dwindling feedback made posting stories more and more unattractive. We now seem to have reached a new normal at 1.5 topics per day. So you can see here exactly what I warned the community about. Without feedback, authors lose the motivation to post stories here and the community dies.


Daily registrations

But what about daily registrations? Daily registrations is the most fascinating data point we have.

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First we see a constant rise in daily registrations as you would suspect as the forum becomes findable on the internet. Then we settled in the 4 to 4.5 registrations per day range. And then you start to see a decline but not nearly as pronounced as for posts and topics and the decline sets in later. Where posts essentially entered a steady decline at the end of June, topics and registrations followed suit around July 20. But registrations never collapsed as much as the other two, never dropping below 3 per day. And I think the reason for that is simple: The Popular Stories. Now this is anecdotal evidence, but I observed that for quite a few newly registered users reading a Popular Story is the first thing they do.

Do you see that small recovery at the end of August? It begins exactly on August 26. What happened that day? Record Chaser became a Popular Story and two more Popular Stories followed since then. I'm not saying that Record Chaser alone had that effect. I'm sure that Fugitives and Lia's German Contest story prevented the collapse in registrations being as huge as it was for the other statistics. The effective thing about Record Chaser being in there is not that it's my story, but that it's a very different beast compared to Fugitives. We need not only more stories in the Popular Stories board, but greater variety.

For a while we had only one English short story in there. Now we got a German story, a very long English story, a medium length first person story and a short second person story. But we would also need a comedy in there, a flash fiction piece, an incest themed story, etc. If we had those 24 Popular Stories I mentioned earlier - a varied catalogue of different themes, languages, lengths and narrator perspectives - I'm sure we would see daily registrations move beyond 5 per day easily. But even in its current state, the Popular Stories board is already doing its job. It prevents the total collapse we have seen in the posts and topics statistics to occur for registrations as well.

So bottom line: Daily registrations are holding up better because the Popular Stories board works as intended. It only suffers from the community's refusal to actually rate the stories they like.


The Day the Forum Died

I had a bad feeling at the time, but I downplayed it coming just from the hype of the successful Gang Rape Galore contest. But in hindsight, I think I can clearly identify the day that the forum died. It was June 26 2025. On June 26 we got our first Popular Story with Fugitives. And I advertised that moment hard. I announced @Shocker as our first Accomplished Writer here. I created a pinned topic in the Authors' Story Collections board that would list all Accomplished Writers and their story collections. I created an announcement thread with an announcement message at the top of the board. I removed the Popular Stories board as a sub board to the Public Stories board and put it front and center on the index page of the forum. An author achieving the Accomplished Writer milestone was always supposed to be a moment of celebration for the community. Whenever an author and their story reached that milestone, the community needed to treat them like they are a king or queen for a day. And then... nothing happened. In a healthy community, those who had not read the story yet, would now go read and rate it, or at least congratulate the author on their achievement even if they personally didn't enjoy that particular story.

But instead of celebrating one of their own, only @Lucius, @Vela Nanashi and myself congratulated Shocker on his achievement. The announcement thread that announced the most important milestone for the forum to date, the launch of the Popular Stories board, sits at 0 replies to this day. We all just came off the high of the Gang Rape Galore contest. The possibility that things could be different here compared to all our predecessor forums was in the air. And the community just shrugged and ignored the moment. The community didn't bother to make this moment special, neither for Shocker personally nor the community at large. At that point, a different community reaction could have set the tone, made it so that every author would want to strive for that Accomplished Writer milestone. If the community had done what I asked them do to at the end of my announcement post:
Of course, if you don't want to rate a story, then don't. Nobody wants you to lie about liking something you didn't. But if you just forgot when you finished reading or gave a great story only a 1-point rating because you didn't know yet that you can rate a story with up to 3 points, maybe take the time to revisit one of those stories you liked and rate it positively or upgrade your rating. Not only will you make the author of the story smile and encourage them to write more, you will also help us build up our library of Popular Stories that will encourage more people to register and ultimately also more authors to write the stories you would like to read. You are helping the individual author AND the forum as a whole with the simple click of a like button.

Here is a very simple thing you can do: The next time you visit the Public Stories board, don't just look at the most recent stories. Click on the downward facing arrow left of "Rating" and look at the stories sorted by rating. You will then see the highest rated stories at the top of the board, some of which are no longer on the first page using the normal sorting. Give those high rated gems you missed a chance, and who knows, maybe Fugitives won't be the only Popular Story for long! ;)
then the forum would now look very different. This was the pivotal moment. Here we could have built something bigger on top of that hype of the contest, filled the Popular Stories quickly with more stories, maybe pushed Fugitives close to the Community Favorites level. But the indifference to one of the oldest members of the community reaching a major milestone for himself and the community as a whole is a larger problem that this community has that you can see everywhere.

You can see it in the Student Orientation board. When you scroll through that board, you can see how common introduction threads were for a while. Now they are a rare occurence. Why? Because the community at large doesn't welcome new users. The community desperately needs new people. And any person who registers AND creates a post should be treated like a gift. But the community doesn't care. Imagine every new user who introduces themselves was welcomed by 20 people, asked curious questions, be invited to participate. But the community shrugs the presence of new people off as if we had an excess of active people. The only time when people welcome a new user in significant numbers is when they recognized a familiar face. And these are exactly the people that don't need that extra attention. You could connect with them via PM. Welcoming the fresh faces should be the top priority.

You can see the same thing when a user became a moderator or won a contest. The community at large doesn't come together and celebrates these moments. And that is a major problem. Welcoming new people, encouraging new authors to keep writing and to comment on other authors' stories, celebrating a contest winner, that is what would make feel people welcome, make authors feel like their achievements are special. It's normal community behavior that is completely absent in our bubble. And that is something that no admin and no moderator can create on their own. I can make sure that contests are seen, that winners are pronounced properly, that the poll for the contest is visible, that Popular Stories aren't pushed out of sight as other stories would take their place if they had stayed in the Public Stories board instead. I can provide the infrastructure and demonstrate the behavior we would need to turn this into an active community. But I can not make these things feel special on my own.

The community decided not to rate stories they liked, not to thank new moderators, not to welcome new members introducing themselves, not to encourage new authors to keep writing by commenting on their stories, not to congratulate contest winners, not to celebrate authors becoming Accomplished Writers. All of these things are simple. And if maybe a dozen, maybe 20 people did this regularly, then this community would grow quickly. But it's too late now.

So this is it. On June 26 the community collectively decided to treat @Shocker's monumental achievement as nothing special. That was the moment that doomed this community to end up like all its predecessors.


Why I have no hope for the future of the forum

So why can't we do all of this now? Well, first of all I tried. I encouraged and asked the community for help over and over again. At some point I have to accept that people rather prefer an inactive zombie forum over an actual community that engages with the content. But the problem goes deeper than that.

Once a community is in the zombie state that it is in now, it is very difficult to get out of that again. As I said before, the community as it is now models the behavior for those that join the community now. And the message this community sends to any new user is this:

"Don't post stories, don't comment, don't like, don't discuss. If you do, you will only scream into a void, so don't bother. Nobody cares that you registered here, nobody cares that you posted a story, nobody cares that you liked and commented on something, nobody cares that you won a contest, nobody cares that you became an Accomplished Writer."

To get out of that, you would need an enthusiastic group of people who deliberately counteract that narrative by being extremely active. For the first few months of the forum we had that. My team and me desperately tried to model the opposite behavior. But without support from the rest of the community we couldn't uphold the necessary level of activity on our own. Now the inactivity on the forum has become a curse that reinforces itself. And the new team doesn't seem to have the will to counteract the negative tendencies that lock the forum into this zombie state. So if the community wasn't active before, I doubt that will suddenly change when not even the admin and moderator team is willing to model anything else with their own behavior.

If you take a sober look at the community, you barely see a new face here after 6 months. @Lucius, @LaLia and maybe @chloevee are the only community members who were very active for a while that I can think of spontaneously that were not veterans of any of our predecessor communities. When you look at the names of the authors on the first page of the Public Stories board, then you see that the stories posted are dominated by people who have been staples of the community for years at this point, people who are so used to inhabiting forums in a zombie state that they might not even realize anymore that this level of inactivity is not normal for a healthy community. Our community is sadly not attractive for new people to join (and new doesn't necessarily mean young, just to be clear). Changing that is a herculean task that would require even more effort than what my team and I were willing or able to put into this place over the course of the first three months of the forum. And since there seems to be nobody willing to do that, I doubt very much that the average number of comments on a story will look fundamentally different two years from now than what it is today. And if that stays the same, then the number of new stories posted each day will also not fundamentally change.

So to summarize: I overestimated the interest that people invited at launch would show. I wasn't prepared for the reality of a community that was completely apathetic from day one. I also didn't anticipate the refusal of the community to use a like button. Both hurt the forum tremendously. Ultimately, the forum ended up in the same zombie state as all our predecessor forums and I wasn't able to prevent that from happening. The pivotal moment that decided the outcome was June 26 when the community refused to treat the launch of the Popular Stories board as a special moment. There, we could have gone in a different direction, instead it went downhill from there. Now that activity basically non-existant, this inactivity reproduces itself because it communicates to new users that this is normal, acceptable behavior which in turn makes posting stories here completely unattractive for any new author. Now that this behavior has been normalized, breaking out of this cycle would require even more effort than trying to prevent falling into it in the first place. With the effort being required even larger and the new team running the forum being less inclined to put in that effort, the forum will most likely stay in the state it is in now until it is closed for good.

It pains me to see that this is the sad reality of the Ravishment Academy.


Goodbye

With that I take my leave. I sincerely wish @RapeU and his team the best of luck. I hope that I'm wrong with my assessment of the future of the forum. If you reading this truly care about the continued existence of the forum, please show @RapeU more support and gratitude for what he's doing than the community has shown my team.

Personally, I will stay around as a lurker until I finished Record Chaser. Maybe I will even attempt to translate Späte Genugtuung. I don't like to leave things unfinished. And whenever someone comments (respectfully) on one of my stories, I will always reply. If you want to talk to me personally, send me a PM. But I will no longer involve myself in the community beyond that, at least not until this community has fundamentally changed. Also, I will from now on no longer look up stories for authors in the RavishU backup. (@Vile8r I saw your PM from a couple of days ago and will still look up your story, don't worry.)

I want to thank @Vela Nanashi for helping me build this forum. Without her, the entire infrastructure of the forum couldn't exist in the way I wanted it to be. I also want to thank my former moderators @LaLia, @Lucius and @chloevee.

That's it from me. All the best to those who remain here.
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Re: Six months after the launch: Goodbye

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Let's shine a little light on the doom and gloom. I for one think Claire has been too hard on herself. She expects things to happen in months when they happen within years. We will never know if a team of people working consistently for a full year would have caused the forum to be successful in her eyes or not, but I imagine that it would be possible.

That being said, it's extremely difficult to maintain consistency for an entire year. I am not able to do it myself because I deal with a ton of crap in real life that will literally make a random grown man cry (this actually happened at the movie theater when a guy asked about the shirt that I was wearing.)

So, where are we at? Well, Claire isn't wrong about the doom and gloom. It's going to take a while for the forum to represent her vision. In fact we may never get to that point. But you know what? I'm still gonna be here and still going to scratch the itch of the fantasy every now and then. All we need are people who just want to scratch that itch. While you scratch that itch, help the forum out a little bit by commenting on a story even if you didn't like it. Rate a story that you haven't rated. Participate in a story writing contest. Give ideas for story writing contests (I really do need them.)

To all the lurkers, hey I get it I was skeptical of RB when I first saw it myself. But we won't bite you...unless you want us to ;)
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As a consumer instead of an artist, this was tough to read. I only stumbled across this site a few days ago, but I've been reading stories on literotica for quite a while. I can't say I've put much thought into what it takes to build and run something like that, but I'm appreciative of those that make it happen. More so now.

From my perspective, rating and discussing stories is tricky. I'm not gifted with the creative chops to be able to write the types of stories I enjoy, and while I've been around long enough to distinguish quality writing from crap, I'm not confident in my ability to describe precisely how they differ. Seems like a proper reviewer should be a competent writer as well. Beyond that, I never know what to say about a particular story. There may be aspects of the content that resonated with me, aligned with my kinks, that cause to me to like a story, well written or not. On the other hand, another story may be of excellent quality but the content just didn't work for me for whatever reason. Including what mood I might have been in when I read it. It doesn't seem fair to rate one story or author over another one based solely on my personal kinks and mood. Doesn't feel like the author should care if a given story cranked my tractor or not; that's not why they wrote it and there are many other readers with different preferences. The result is I'm not in the habit of rating stories, commenting on them, or hitting the "Like" button, unless it's needed to build a personal "favorites" list. The impact that might have on author motivation is something I haven't considered.

I have a kink for certain types of light noncon fantasy erotica and was pleased to discover another site where I might find it. Thank you for creating it. I wish the new owner and contributors well and very much hope for their success.

Edit: Dammit, I see now I replied to the wrong post. This was intended for the 'Goodbye' thread.
Edit 2: Thanks for moving it.
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Re: Six months after the launch: Goodbye

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@JMarston64 I moved your reply to the correct topic (First time I've actually moved only a single post. I didn't even know that was possible until now.) I'll respond in a seperate post.
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Re: Six months after the launch: Goodbye

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@Claire :
First of all, thank you again for everything you've done to build this forum. It was unique, and I don't know anyone who has managed to build a forum with such a specific topic in such a short time.

Now, to the points you mentioned:
Yes, your probably greatest ambition was to create a forum exactly as you envisioned it. A rating system right at the beginning of the forum, repeated calls for members to rate stories and comment.
Please don't be mad at me, but I always thought this approach was wrong, but never expressed it because it was your forum and your vision of it.
Personally, I would have proceeded differently: I would have first built a completely normal forum without a rating system and tried to gain as many members as possible.
If this had been achieved (and you would have succeeded very quickly), I would have cautiously tried to introduce a points system in a second step. A system with 0-3 points. Why 0 points? Because there are people who read stories but don't like them at all. But if I'm supposed to give at least 1 point, that indicates that I kind of like the story—which isn't true. Maybe a point for @RapeU for discussing this with the moderator team.

And only as a last point, I should have tried to encourage members to comment on stories; perhaps I should have set up something like a general chat corner that has nothing to do with the main topic of the forum.
You jumped into your ideas at full speed, without considering that sometimes you have to go a little slower. Many group members are probably afraid of revealing too much about themselves, so they don't participate in discussions right from the start.

I'll use myself as a personal example. I was a moderator in the German-speaking section of the original Ravishu forum. And also an active author.
The first time Ravishu was blocked for illegal online content, I didn't think much of it. The second time, I became more cautious and finally deleted all of my posts that potentially contained illegal content. And finally, virtually all of my stories disappeared.

Yes, and then RavishU disappeared forever... and with it many of the members who were active there.

No wonder that perhaps many of the members who used to diligently post their stories on Ravishu have now become cautious and hardly post any stories here, or not at all, for fear of falling victim to some law enforcement agency.

And then a third point: I know you won't like this one, but I'll bring it up again anyway, even at the risk that this post will also be censored and disappear into oblivion (which is why I saved it as a precaution):
There are many German-speaking readers here. You mentioned that there is only one German-language story in the forum. Well, I know that I alone have written several, sometimes very long, stories with sequels in German, and they have been read frequently (even though there were hardly any comments or even ratings, which never bothered me personally). And some of them have even been commented on by English-speaking readers. That's why I've repeatedly suggested setting up a (small) section of the forum for German-speaking visitors. Not all of us are interested in having an English-language story translated into German. And then perhaps laboriously having a comment translated into English and posted.
Unfortunately, all these suggestions disappeared into oblivion...

And then your last, and in my opinion, biggest, mistake: You yourself have talked the forum to death with your constant announcements that you want to close it if something doesn't change that meets your expectations.
You surely know the saying: "If you're riding a dead horse, dismount!" It's a piece of wisdom that questions the point of clinging to failed or pointless projects and calls for not wasting resources, but rather seeking a new path.
That's exactly what happened here: by desperately trying to keep the forum going, the exact opposite happened.
I also wouldn't invest in stocks where the owner constantly threatens to close the company if no more investment is made.

Well, I wish you all the best.

And for the members who remain here in the forum, I hope they might participate a little more in the forum, no matter what form that takes.

And to @RapeU and his team: good luck with everything you plan. I'm happy to lend my support.

And finally: should this post be censored again and disappear into oblivion, I know enough ways to ensure that it will still be known to important members. But I hope this is a truly open forum that will not resort to such methods again.

With that in mind, here's to another one.

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Re: Six months after the launch: Goodbye

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I am here for the long run, despite my stories not getting the love as other stories do. Not complaining, but I like this place and everyone in it. Claire will be missed by me, I enjoyed talking to her about every oddball thing off the top of my head.
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To everybody reading this: I only deleted two announcement threads I myself created which would have spread outdated wrong information after @RapeU took over from me. They confused users about the future of the forum like in this thread and were no longer relevant.


@Blue You have not once been censored, nor has anyone's post been deleted for writing something I don't like. In the 6 month I've run the forum, I deleted the two announcement topics I created in Augut (and the stories posted by banned user @RaymondPISTACHIO). That's it. Why did I delete these two announcements? Because they announced that the forum would be taken down on October 4 and led to confusion after @RapeU volunteered to take over. I didn't want to spread misinformation that would confuse new users after it was decided that the forum would continue and I have been completely transparent about that in the announcement:

The Future of the Ravishment Academy

Your insinuation that I have been deleting posts I don't like and have been targeting you in particular is either a blatant lie or a delusional conspiracy theory. Either way, I expect a public apology from you for painting me in your post as someone who has suppressed voices critical of my plans for and design of the forum. I will not address any of the other points you raised in your post before I don't see that public apology from you.
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Re: Six months after the launch: Goodbye

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@Claire and all reader :
The "censorship" issue was the same topic twice. The suggestion to set up a German subforum.
I just found the last post while searching for my own posts, namely here: viewtopic.php?p=6542#p6542.
I really have to apologize for thinking the post had completely disappeared; at least, I couldn't find it again.

The other time, it was the same topic, several months ago; I made the same suggestion in the public forum (I wasn't a moderator back then). This post disappeared shortly after publication, and when I just went through my posts, I couldn't find it anymore. I have no idea where it ended up; in any case, I never found it again.

All in all, a reason for me to keep track of what I post in public discussions in the future.

Even though I unfortunately can't fully clarify the matter, I nevertheless formally apologize to Claire.
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@JMarston64 What's most interesting about your post for me is that you view yourself as a consumer. And that is quite telling and gets to the heart of the issue: Communities like these fail because community members treat the stories posted here like porn videos. They think a forum for erotica is the equivalent of pornhub for written stories instead of videos. Or if you prefer a less pornographic comparison, you can also compare it to Netflix. These are business models built around passive consumption. You get offered a variety of videos or films/series and then choose whatever you like. And this works because Netflix makes money from subscriptions (and advertisement) and in case of porn streaming sites, I guess it's also advertisement or baiting the occasional viewer to pay money for the full content that the free video only teased. But on a forum where amateur authors publish their stories for free, this obviously doesn't work. So what works for Pornhub or Netflix doesn't work for a forum of amateur authors. Because views can't be translated into money for the individual authors here, the only validation for authors is the engagement of readers with their work.

So basically, communities like ours rise and fall with the established feedback culture. And all our predecessor forums had the same issue as the forum has now: The lack of feedback reduces the number of active authors to the select few who don't need that feedback from readers or who have gotten used to receiving little to no feedback. And that is what I mean by the forum being in a zombie state: The forum is technically still alive in the sense that it is still running on the server, but there is so little happening here that it is dead for practical purposes. Readers barely comment on stories, there are (almost) no discussions going on in the Book Club or Dining Hall and authors have no reason to post their stories here.

But let's get away from the general problem. You raised an interesting point that I understand very well: You seem to have the feeling that you would need to be some experienced critic to comment on the stories you read and rate. First, let me say, I very deliberately named the two boards for highly rated stories Popular Stories and Community Favorites. Popular does not necessarily mean better or high quality. Receiving a lot of ratings mean that a story has a certain mass appeal. But I absolutely get that feeling. I can only encourage you to view this through a different lens: It's not about writing a nuanced professional review, but about engaging with the story. For example, maybe you liked a particular moment or a phrase in the story. Then you could ask the author where that idea came from for example. In the Freshman's Guide I wrote this:
The main goal of our Academy is to provide authors and readers with a place where stories are not just consumed but discussed. Even though our authors are mostly amateurs, they still put in a lot of time and effort into their writing. We would like to see that effort get rewarded with more engagement from readers than silent consumption or a quick: "I liked it." That does not mean that we expect readers to write a detailed essay when commenting on a story. And some of you reading this might think right now: "But what qualifies me to comment on a story?" It is not about imitating a professional literature critic. As a rule of thumb, any feedback that allows the author of a story to say more in response than "Glad you liked it!" is a good way to engage with a story. Maybe you liked a particular line a lot or ended up finding a character more interesting than you initially thought. Was it the dialogue that you found particularly well written or did you enjoy the atmosphere that the author created with their description of the surroundings? From my personal experience, I can tell you that few things are as fascinating as realizing that readers took a liking to something you as the author barely thought about while writing the story. So let the author know what you liked in particular and also what you might have disliked while staying respectful in the way you express your criticism. Give other readers a chance to agree or disagree with your assessment. Ideally, we would like to see authors and readers but also just readers among themselves have conversations below the latest chapter of a story. We would like it if an author could ask their readers a question on how to continue their story or how a specific idea was received and get a bunch of answers to their question within a day or two. That is the feedback culture we want to establish here.
I can only encourage you to view yourself less as a consumer and more as a member of an erotic fiction community. ;) Your voice is definitely worth hearing and your opinion on stories matters. You don't need to be a professional author or critic for that!
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@Blue Apology accepted.

Let me start by saying that I don't delete posts that criticise me and I most certainly won't delete posts that request a new board. Think about it for a moment. Of all the things I could have deleted, why would I delete a simple request for another board? What sense would that even make? I don't mind people disagreeing with me. In general, Blue, you seem to struggle a lot with using the forum, whether that's using tags correctly, reading a contest thread properly, or editing posts. If a post truly just disappeared that you created, then my best guess would be the post review feature that I deactivated a while ago because it ate a few of my posts and @Vela Nanashi had similar experiences. You seemed to have another issue in this post during the Used and Abused tournament. The post then "suddenly became visible" even though I didn't change anything and it was visible to me and everybody else the entire time. So maybe, just maybe, next time before you accuse me or anybody else, consider the option that you simply might be struggling with using the forum correctly. I was always happy to help out and I spent a lot of time moderating your posts, more than for any other user on the forum. But I don't like being accused. I've read a lot of criticism from people here, but not once have I banned anybody for it nor deleted posts no matter how much they annoyed me.

Ok, but let me go through your post now. Let's start with the issue of a separate board for German stories. I didn't mean to ignore you. The post you linked to simply didn't read to me like it required an answer from me, but I can of course tell you why I never created a board for German stories.

First of all, if we had a thriving English community that posts a lot and it were only the German stories that suffered from a lack of feedback, then I would have considered it. But that is not the case. The English stories do slightly better but nothing about the forum suggests that creating a separate board for German stories would improve the feedback the German stories get. You said it yourself in your posts, the stories do get read. And I can tell you that according to Google the second most clicks for the forum are generated from users in Germany, only US based users generate more clicks. So the German audience is here and the views on the German stories do suggest that they do find the German stories. Which gets back to my point: The issue is people not commenting. Look at my story Die Unendliche Vergewaltigung. It's on the last spot of the entire forum but it has 1456 views, outperforming most stories on the last page of the Public Stories board in terms of views. 5 people voted that they came reading that story. And I created that poll when I translated the story into English, so a while after I posed the original German story. Readers do find that German story, even when it's on the last spot on the last page, but they don't comment. How a German board is supposed to change that, I don't know.

Second, when we tested the forum in February and March, @LaLia, @Vela Nanashi, @Shocker and me had a discussion about the topic and came to the conclusion that not creating a separate board would be better. You can always find all German stories by just clicking on the Ger-tag or on the "Deutsche Geschichten"-Filter in the public stories board. And I think people do that. That replaces the need for a separate board.

Third, I'm in general very skeptical of creating too many sub boards. RavishU created a lot of damage by having too many sub boards and the tags are supposed to replace the need for sub boards. And that is one thing about the forum that actually worked quite well. On RavishU, the only stories that got any significant amount of attention were the stories in the Gang Rape board. People simply didn't visit the other boards. Because the stories here are all in the same board, people see stories they would never notice if they only looked into a Gang Rape board. And that is actually one part of the forum that works exactly as intended.

Too many sub boards do not only focus the attention on the one board that is considered the favorite, they also make the forum look even more inactive than it already is. You don't want a bunch of boards that all say "Last post: three weeks ago" or something like that. Ideally, you only have boards that say "Last post: today". This is what a new user should see. Now imagine you create a German board. Then you also need a German Popular Stories board and a German Community Favorites board. And for every language you add, you create three more. So you get back to a board completely overloaded with sub boards very quickly and recreate the problems RavishU had.

So, these are basically the reasons for why there is no separate German story board. But let me address the rest of your post:
Blue wrote: Tue Oct 07, 2025 2:03 pm Please don't be mad at me, but I always thought this approach was wrong, but never expressed it because it was your forum and your vision of it.
Personally, I would have proceeded differently: I would have first built a completely normal forum without a rating system and tried to gain as many members as possible.
If this had been achieved (and you would have succeeded very quickly), I would have cautiously tried to introduce a points system in a second step. A system with 0-3 points. Why 0 points? Because there are people who read stories but don't like them at all. But if I'm supposed to give at least 1 point, that indicates that I kind of like the story—which isn't true.
I will never be mad at you for disagreeing with me.

To address the point you raise: What's the point of a 0 rating? That's the same as not rating the story at all and of course you can do that. Adding an explicit 0 rating simply does nothing.

Regarding the issue gaining members: That is the one thing we achieved quickly. We have now almost 700. That's more than TBV had after 3 years and the number of daily new registered users also outpaces RapeCage. We are doing extremely well on that front. The members are simply not active. But that issue we share with all our predecessors. You are just empirically wrong here, Blue. If something worked tremendously here, then it is getting people to register.

The point you make about introducing the rating system slowly has no logic to it at all. Nobody has to rate anything already. And if we had a ton of posts and little ratings, so be it. Personally, I care little about the ratings. They are only a means to an end to identify Popular Stories and Community Favorites. If you want to argue that people comment less because ratings exist, then you would have to show me some evidence for that. That is such an obscure hypothesis, you would need a really good argument to convince me of that. But at best, the point your making is unfounded conjecture, nothing more.
Blue wrote: Tue Oct 07, 2025 2:03 pm And then a third point: I know you won't like this one, but I'll bring it up again anyway, even at the risk that this post will also be censored and disappear into oblivion (which is why I saved it as a precaution):
There are many German-speaking readers here.
There is nothing about this I dislike. And as I said before, I agree that we have plenty German readers.
Blue wrote: Tue Oct 07, 2025 2:03 pm You mentioned that there is only one German-language story in the forum.
This is another lie, Blue. I never said that. Why do you make things like this up? And again, why on earth would I say this? Please, I'm begging you, think this through for two seconds before you post something like this. I posted 4 German stories myself. I took over the organizaton of the German story contest from LaLia and participated in it myself. So what reason could I possibly have to say that there is only a single German story on the entire forum when I myself posted 4? What I might have said is this: There is only one German story in the Popular Stories board and that is true. Only Lalia's contest winner story became a Popular Story. All the other stories in the Popular Stories board are English, at the moment at least. In total, we have 36 German stories on the forum and I'm sure we would have more if our numerous German readers commented on what they read. You don't like me pointing this out. But that is the simple truth.
Blue wrote: Tue Oct 07, 2025 2:03 pm You yourself have talked the forum to death with your constant announcements that you want to close it if something doesn't change that meets your expectations.
You surely know the saying: "If you're riding a dead horse, dismount!" It's a piece of wisdom that questions the point of clinging to failed or pointless projects and calls for not wasting resources, but rather seeking a new path.
That's exactly what happened here: by desperately trying to keep the forum going, the exact opposite happened.
That's a nice hypothesis, but it's just another empirically wrong statement. The forum started slow and began to decline before I ever made such an announcement. After one month, I created that announcement and that gave the forum a tremendous boost, resulting in the success of the Gang Rape Galore contest. And when did the forum collapse? After the three month announcement which did exactly what you wanted: It was optimistic through and through, I told everybody the forum would go on, that the numbers looked good. And then did the forum rapidly decline, not when I warned people. And now look: The future of the forum is secured. It was almost two months ago that I said I would transfer the forum to @RapeU. Since then, the shadow of the forum shutting down is no longer looming over the forum. And I myself have basically been inactive for a while now, no longer involving myself anymore in the stories posted. I left the semi-final of Used and Abused alone, I didn't comment on any story in the Rashomon contest and I didn't try anything anymore to motivate people. The result? The forum is in its most inactive state since launch. So, no Blue, my announcements did not hurt the forum. They are the only thing that prevented the forum from collapsing into the state it is in now after the first month already. The positive effect they had didn't last and I probably undermined their positive effect with the overly optimistic three months announcement.
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